In a special double interview edition of the podcast, we start by examining the idea of cyber crime as terrorism. Emma Schroeder & Trey Herr with the Atlantic Council’s Cyber Statecraft Initiative argue that many still do cybersecurity wrong. Why? In part, because they don’t meet cyber threats on their terms. Hear how they say cyber crime should be viewed and some tips for government entities in particular to better defend – including a Hunger Games idea.